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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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except all of the characters are just

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variations of reed richards just

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stretched out and he's just pretending

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to be all of them

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast i am 100 leaving that small clip

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in there

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and you can guess what dan and i have

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just been talking about and i can

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promise you won't be able to guess what

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it was uh my name is andy and dan like i

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say is joining me for this one dan

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welcome back hi

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hi that's uh that's hilarious thank you

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we have to leave that button um i just

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conversation dan and i were having so uh

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thoughts on an email or dm to what we

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this one is on the new aerial school

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phenomenon documentary aerial phenomenon

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and you can rent this now at

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we will discuss some of the issues

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they've had around the renting buying or

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um because it's definitely worth a

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conversation thank you to everyone who

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gave us feedback on the a tear in the

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sky documentary review and we were very

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honest with it we always will be with

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these um i think we're open and honest

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we're very lucky to do that and and we

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appreciate them being sent out but that

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doesn't mean we're going to pander our

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pedal to people for interviews or you

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know free copies of stuff we would

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happily spend our money on these things

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as well to to discuss them with you on

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creatives can you can do a lot with

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actual feedback as well you know yeah

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it's almost the worst thing you can say

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is oh that's just great and leave her at

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that like if if you give feedback it can

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be improved next time you know

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the feeling yeah and this wasn't aimed

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at uepx as we've had that discussion

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little bit on that with um you apx on a

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documentary uh gary verheeson others

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tear in the sky are necessarily looking

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for for that feedback and that's why i'm

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aerial phenomenon documentary this is a

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very very well known and famous event to

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zimbabwe and the aerial school

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something that happened 28 years ago um

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ufo uap am at gmail.com please and i'll

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everything as well yeah um yeah but i

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and it's released through the company

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first major foray into that and is no

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doubt their biggest project to date uh

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much of the documentary follows witness

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emily trim as she leaves canada to head

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this case that we kind of needed a de

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facto new base to start from and and i

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phenomenon and such that you see one of

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documentary of the phenomenon as well

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with all the voices overlapping talking

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about the event you know

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the film and she's not that interested

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in the subject i've said before folks

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giving especially what i do but that

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really caught her attention given her

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background and she worked in education

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children that had a profound effect with

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incredible experience um so yeah it was

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nice like you say to to pull that out

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all those clips and bits and pieces and

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stuff that's been lying on cutting room

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floors for so long to put it all

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want to jump ahead um dan the event

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1994. um during the day not night time

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of kids out playing notice that there's

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a an object in the sky that then lands

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in a clearing not too far from them and

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all kinds of reports of the the object

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being silver but then there's some

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large black eyes big heads plastic

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swathes or swathes or whatever there

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of children as we can see now reporting

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a very very similar event and that's the

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richness of the fact that all of the

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children have slight variations on the

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stories and hearing the variations there

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in here that i hadn't read or watched

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over the years so though it's not new

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to everybody um

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there's certainly something extra to be

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taken away from this

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a group of children if there's a fight

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in a dinner hall you know that you could

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ask all the kids who witnessed the same

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what happened and you're going to hear

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the same story but with some differences

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this person threw a punch or this person

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through a kick and actually it was other

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way around but your memory just has a

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certain effect on you and you remember

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certain things a certain way i'm sure

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that if you ask a bride and groom

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sometime after a wedding about the

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wedding day they're going to remember

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things slightly differently oh yeah this

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person cut the cake and actually this

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correct they're not lying it's just the

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way their memory is chosen to kind of

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how they describe what they've seen

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they've clearly saw something they're

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100 they're not lying they've had an

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experience and it's very very genuine

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i find this easier to watch and i think

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we discussed this stand when we talked

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about

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was it the observers documentary where

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the first half was linda mount howe

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richard dolorenko that's right and then

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the second half went into a little bit

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of hybrid alien baby chat

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and

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adult sitting telling a story with

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with nothing to back up and you think i

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i i okay i'll take that at face value

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but for me i just shelf that and move on

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whereas like you say you've got 60

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children plus all sharing a similar

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experience

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out of the middle of nowhere you know

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they weren't

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brought up in a culture of ufos and

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aliens and that's that's not the case

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and it wasn't very westernized as such

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and they

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talk about you know the same types of

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beings the the same type of craft the

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fact the fact the thing landed and we'll

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get into kind of how that how that

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developed later on um the early

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investigations were done by cynthia

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hynde um she was an investigator and

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local mufon representative

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assisted by gunter hoffer those are some

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of the names that you'll see early on in

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the film and they very much interviewed

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the children and to discuss at the time

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you know what happened what did you see

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take down the basics um

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the interviews are relatively simple as

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to what's done at the time and they tend

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to have the children sometimes in groups

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as well don't they asking them all and

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not that it's not professional but

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we see john mack takes investigation

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down the line to a different level with

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how he approaches it um

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he talks a lot about kind of feelings

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doesn't he of the children's experience

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and a lot more tends to tumble out of

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them when he's talking about that and

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that's where you get the kind of

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telepathic messages almost or the

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feelings they got when when the

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physicists were just looking into their

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eyes

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yeah it's very interesting and john john

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argues that like you said whether

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something landed or whether it didn't

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they experienced something and and

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that's worth studying no matter what you

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know

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yeah

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like you say john john mack comes in and

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he gets them one-on-one which is a i

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think a big difference to how they were

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interviewed before and like you say he

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he uses words like you know how are you

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feeling you know

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rather than just what did you see

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which is what they were asking the kids

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beforehand and that's that's no slight

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on cynthia and gunther and how they how

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they started those initial

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investigations but

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he approaches it from that

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psychologist's point of view

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and and is blown away as as are many

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people i found interesting dan that when

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they talked to the teachers at the

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school at the time

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um i think it's cynthia that's in

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speaking with them

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half the teachers are quite dismissive

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of the event and basically say that the

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children are lying

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but some of the other teachers quite

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rightly

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come forward and say no i i can't see

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how they can be lying there was too many

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i liked um

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judy bates bates's response um where

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she she was a little skeptical but then

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she said i live here i try not to think

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about it i have a lot of sleepless

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nights thinking about it and i'm scared

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of the unknown so i block it off so i'd

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rather get on with school i believe the

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kids but if i think about it too much

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i'll lose sleep again and i think that

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kind of fear of the unknown uh keeps a

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lot of people from talking about it that

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that's kind of the stigma that we're

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trying to get past right that this isn't

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something to be scared of uh this is

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something we can study and understand

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yeah that first 20 minutes down you you

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hit the nail on the head with people

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asking and asking us as well is there

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new stuff in this documentary bear in

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mind it happened in 94 um how much how

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much new stuff is going to come out of

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it what you do get is a focus

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on people like emily trim mainly but

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other adults as well including the

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teachers as they've grown older and how

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it's affected them through their lives

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and the story of emily trying to come to

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terms with it how it has affected her

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her family her relationship with her

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family and other people and that's

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really really interesting that's that

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human element to the story we've talked

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about several times which is which is

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really well done and that's where the

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focus is that the first 20 minutes is

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spent recapping the story the interviews

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the children involved then john mack

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gets involved we see it interspliced

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with the the past and in the the present

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we see many of the children now adults

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discussing how they didn't really know

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about ufos at the time how it's affected

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their jobs how it's affected what their

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career paths ended up being and and

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their lives in general um emily emily

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trim who we like i say is probably the

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main character our main focus of the

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full documentary

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tells you how her family was very

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religious

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and they were discouraged as children

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from talking about the event her and her

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older brother both witnessed the event

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but she says it's not that the family

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didn't believe her but there was no

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space in their religious belief

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for this sort of event having happened

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there was no way alien visitors came

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down and in that sort of craft and what

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happened couldn't have happened but

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something did happen but

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they basically chose to leave the

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country didn't they uh yeah off the back

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of that

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there was another family as well a child

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named paul is mentioned that he was

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deeply affected and they moved to canada

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um the the parents were just refused to

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discuss it and

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yeah we we hear about people on the

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inside of the pentagon who are very

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religious

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they struggle with this because where we

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see ufos and a mystery

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they see something that can only be

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explained by things such as tricksters

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or demons and things like that and and

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so there's a reluctance to engage with

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it which i understand but you're never

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gonna

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make the unknown known by being that way

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one of the parents

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the quote she uses is that she doesn't

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believe because she didn't see it

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herself

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but she believes her child to an extent

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and again there's that block isn't that

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of yes something happened but they're

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clearly struggling to come to terms with

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did they say beings that weren't human

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in a technology that they couldn't

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understand and they've just chosen to go

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do you know what yeah my kids saw

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something they're not lying all these

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children saw something but i didn't see

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it so it wasn't aliens

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uh and again

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it's one of those ones you know dan we

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can be quite fair that i think we're

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quite happy to say we're not saying it's

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aliens

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but on this occasion

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it very much was described as being

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aliens it was the typical

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grey type beings this is what these

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children are claiming to have saw and

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they all saw the same um

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kind of kind of object and same sort of

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beings as described tim leitch is

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someone who is featured quite heavily on

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the documentary he worked with the bbc

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as a cameraman producer and journalist

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at the time out in zimbabwe and he felt

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his career was ruined

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uh ultimately by his reporting of this

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being so

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so frank and honest and believing that

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yes these these children did see what

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they say and i think this is again still

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to stay why perhaps many don't touch the

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subject

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yeah he was known for reporting from war

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zones and he gave bbc excellent coverage

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and he explains in the documentary that

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at one point he couldn't get any

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information and he found it frustrating

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because he was like we're with the bbc

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we're not just some random small news

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network you know we are respectable um

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and he he was trying to get help to kind

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of decipher what was going on in the

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case and record everything

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he explicitly says that he feels like

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covering the case

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got him accused of you know losing his

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marbles and and it ended his career with

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the bbc so you can you can see why any

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other reporters that might want to

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report on it would be reluctant to to go

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down that road and it didn't involve men

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in black coming to his door and telling

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him to be quiet it just

510
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involved the stigma and us telling each

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other you know not to talk about these

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things which is changing now

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i think i'm writing saying tim leitch

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passed away about 10 years ago i think

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it was 2011. um i believe if it's the

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same time leech who ended his career as

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a foreign affairs correspondent and he

518
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done a lot of work out in zimbabwe then

519
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a lot of tim leach's pieces within this

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documentary do appear to be older

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interviews just with the quality of the

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the footage but um he's a fascinating

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part of this um he left dr john mack the

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the voicemail which gets john mack

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involved in this case

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um

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tim himself goes on to say he felt john

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mack's involvement added a greater depth

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of credibility to the investigation

530
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which it certainly does um we mentioned

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john mack's part in this is to come in

532
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speak to the children one at a time

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ask them what they saw but like you see

534
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he approaches it from that

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psychologist's point of view what were

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you feeling at the time what were your

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emotions you know and that's where

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very interestingly some of the children

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aren't described a noise in the air that

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scared them and there was a thing

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wasn't it well there was a flute type

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noise yeah that's right one of them says

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um

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said he ran away and told the teacher

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about it who said just forget about it

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which is a

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very adult yeah just forget about it

548
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isn't it what an odd response but it's

549
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when you don't understand you don't know

550
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what to do just yeah forget about it

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it'll go away um

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john mack speaks to the teachers uh

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saying they should let the children

554
00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:27,440
share their experience uh it's not to be

555
00:19:30,950 --> 00:19:29,679
dismissed and this is the the part i

556
00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:30,960
mentioned earlier where several of the

557
00:19:35,990 --> 00:19:32,960
teachers say uh they're making it up and

558
00:19:37,830 --> 00:19:36,000
others aren't so sure um i had the same

559
00:19:40,070 --> 00:19:37,840
comment as udan from from judy bates who

560
00:19:41,590 --> 00:19:40,080
was a deputy head at the time seeing is

561
00:19:43,590 --> 00:19:41,600
believing but i'm also scared of the

562
00:19:45,669 --> 00:19:43,600
unknown so i block it off

563
00:19:47,350 --> 00:19:45,679
and that just adds to what you say that

564
00:19:49,270 --> 00:19:47,360
yeah that that's how many approach this

565
00:19:50,950 --> 00:19:49,280
subject especially as they lose that

566
00:19:52,870 --> 00:19:50,960
kind of childhood innocence i think of

567
00:19:54,950 --> 00:19:52,880
the poland express you know how as a

568
00:19:57,190 --> 00:19:54,960
child you can hear the bell but then as

569
00:19:59,430 --> 00:19:57,200
you get older the bell stops ringing for

570
00:20:01,190 --> 00:19:59,440
you and the kind of magic goes away and

571
00:20:02,310 --> 00:20:01,200
that seems to be there's there's that

572
00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:02,320
point in

573
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:04,240
your life those couple of formative

574
00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:05,200
years

575
00:20:08,710 --> 00:20:07,200
kind of puberty adolescence as you go

576
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:08,720
into it where you lose that kind of

577
00:20:11,669 --> 00:20:10,080
magic and

578
00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:11,679
that kind of sense of wonderment and you

579
00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:13,280
move into that more logical way of

580
00:20:17,430 --> 00:20:14,880
thinking and viewing the world which is

581
00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:17,440
a shame but um some of us don't and end

582
00:20:22,149 --> 00:20:20,480
up starting podcasts um well it makes me

583
00:20:23,510 --> 00:20:22,159
wonder if because we've talked to some

584
00:20:24,549 --> 00:20:23,520
guests about

585
00:20:26,310 --> 00:20:24,559
whether

586
00:20:28,789 --> 00:20:26,320
only certain people can perceive things

587
00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:28,799
gary touched on it when you spoke to him

588
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:30,400
and you know it doesn't make you special

589
00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:31,679
if you can perceive them it just means

590
00:20:36,149 --> 00:20:34,559
that you can that's all and i know that

591
00:20:37,750 --> 00:20:36,159
there are a lot of filters that the

592
00:20:39,270 --> 00:20:37,760
developing children as they grow up and

593
00:20:41,110 --> 00:20:39,280
part me wonders if children are a little

594
00:20:44,149 --> 00:20:41,120
more open to this this kind of high

595
00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:44,159
strangeness than a lot of us adults are

596
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:45,840
emily trim in the middle of the

597
00:20:49,909 --> 00:20:48,480
documentary visits the school the the

598
00:20:51,909 --> 00:20:49,919
setting it's the first time she's been

599
00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:51,919
back there it's very emotional for her

600
00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:54,400
and she visits mrs huacha who is a

601
00:20:58,950 --> 00:20:56,559
former teacher now very elderly of

602
00:21:01,190 --> 00:20:58,960
course reflecting on

603
00:21:03,350 --> 00:21:01,200
who are they who where were they from

604
00:21:04,870 --> 00:21:03,360
you know were they people discussing the

605
00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:04,880
beings and the entities and it seems

606
00:21:09,029 --> 00:21:07,200
that as she's got older she's reverted

607
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:09,039
back to being a bit more understanding

608
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:10,720
and you know these children did see

609
00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:12,000
something it's no doubt something that

610
00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:13,919
stuck with her our whole life and people

611
00:21:17,590 --> 00:21:15,440
in the area have talked about it and

612
00:21:19,590 --> 00:21:17,600
that comes across as you you see people

613
00:21:20,710 --> 00:21:19,600
who live still within the local area as

614
00:21:22,149 --> 00:21:20,720
well that it's something they're very

615
00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:22,159
aware of happening

616
00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:24,320
and again much more open to those types

617
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:26,080
of experiences and they talk about how

618
00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:26,880
they

619
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:28,720
discuss those potential beings and where

620
00:21:32,870 --> 00:21:30,640
they may be from and why and why they're

621
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:32,880
having those experiences in the area and

622
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:34,320
that's kind of woven again throughout

623
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:36,000
the middle of the the documentary isn't

624
00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:37,120
it

625
00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:39,440
yeah they they go to at one point an

626
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:42,000
elder and uh emily speaks to the elder

627
00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:44,960
and he talks about the experience from a

628
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:46,880
spiritual point of view

629
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:48,000
and i thought that was really

630
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:49,360
interesting because

631
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:50,960
there are a lot of traditions like if

632
00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:52,799
you look up uh the you know the origin

633
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:54,080
stories of the hopi tribe and things

634
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:55,200
like that

635
00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:56,720
a lot of it plugs into kind of what we

636
00:22:01,110 --> 00:21:59,600
know today is spiritualism and it makes

637
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:01,120
me wonder if there's kind of this little

638
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:03,440
venn diagram of overlap between you know

639
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:05,200
these kind of worlds that that we know

640
00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:07,200
and think are separate but actually you

641
00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:08,720
know they might be layered onto each

642
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:10,640
other and we might be living in that

643
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:12,480
layered part

644
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:15,200
everything everywhere all at once

645
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:17,120
several of the children talk about and

646
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:18,880
and this is that part i was really

647
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:20,559
looking forward to speaking to you about

648
00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:23,200
um they talk about an intense stare and

649
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:24,799
that there's an attraction that they had

650
00:22:28,870 --> 00:22:26,720
to keep looking at these beings the

651
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:28,880
beings were making them scared terrified

652
00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:30,320
this is some of the words that john mack

653
00:22:34,390 --> 00:22:32,480
got out of them and got the feeling that

654
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:34,400
they wanted the children to go with them

655
00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:36,480
which is quite sinister just from our

656
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:37,520
point of view it might not have been

657
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:39,600
from the other way around and one says

658
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:41,520
she thought the beings may attack them

659
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:43,520
and there was a feeling of evil and

660
00:22:46,470 --> 00:22:44,960
again this is something i bring up

661
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:46,480
especially

662
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:47,280
yeah

663
00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:49,280
thanks i have that effect

664
00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:50,240
just

665
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:52,480
when people online talk about you know

666
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:53,760
all the stuff to do with threat

667
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:55,840
narratives and all that kind of stuff is

668
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:57,679
wrong because these beings are

669
00:23:03,350 --> 00:22:59,520
benevolent and peaceful and it's loving

670
00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:03,360
lightness there's too many examples

671
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:05,840
that like this and with abduction

672
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:08,080
experiences and anything else where

673
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:10,400
people don't feel happy and a sense of

674
00:23:15,669 --> 00:23:13,120
calm and a sense of complete you know

675
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:15,679
relief and joy and these children

676
00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:17,440
themselves talk about feeling scared and

677
00:23:21,190 --> 00:23:18,880
anxious none of them tell you they felt

678
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:21,200
happy or that they wanted to go it was

679
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:24,320
quite an unsettling and scary experience

680
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:26,240
so again if you if you fall on that side

681
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:27,760
of the

682
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:29,520
everything's great with these potential

683
00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:32,400
non-human intelligences you know the the

684
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:35,200
dr steven greer school of thinking i

685
00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:36,240
just don't i think it's very

686
00:23:39,430 --> 00:23:38,000
pigeon-holed and you have to open up to

687
00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:39,440
well what about these experiences

688
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:40,880
because these children certainly didn't

689
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:41,919
feel

690
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:44,080
welcomed or warm or happy about what was

691
00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:45,760
happening and it wasn't something they

692
00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:47,360
particularly wanted to happen and look

693
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:49,120
how it's how it stayed with them their

694
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:51,440
whole lives afterwards as well that's

695
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:52,559
that's the thing from the film that

696
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:54,720
stands out with me that to use an

697
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:56,720
analogy you know it's almost like

698
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:58,480
forcing the blue pill on neo in the

699
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:00,240
matrix instead of letting it be his

700
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:03,440
choice these these experiences kind of

701
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:05,120
well not kind of they do they traumatize

702
00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:06,480
people and

703
00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:08,960
these experiences don't ask for this

704
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:10,720
and and least we can do is you know

705
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:12,000
listen to the stories and take them

706
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:14,320
seriously because they have a huge

707
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:16,240
profound impact on these people's lives

708
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:18,080
and the lives of people connected to

709
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:21,120
them uh it surprised me with some of the

710
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:22,320
other

711
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:24,880
kind of landing uh stories that people

712
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:26,799
just don't talk to their current spouses

713
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:28,080
about them it's almost like they try and

714
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:29,840
leave it behind in another life and then

715
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:31,600
you have people like emily who can't

716
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:34,480
help but paint the the chips and the

717
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:36,159
beans that she saw you know over and

718
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,760
over and over again there was a great

719
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:39,360
moment where she saw her drawing for the

720
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:40,799
first time in years from when she was a

721
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:43,200
child and and realized that

722
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:45,360
it was pretty much exactly the same

723
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:46,559
thing as she'd been painting all these

724
00:24:51,430 --> 00:24:49,440
years later and that was amazing to you

725
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:51,440
know that it sat that deeply within her

726
00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:54,159
that she couldn't help but express it

727
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:56,559
the the village chief's son juke

728
00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:58,880
massanza it tells emily in a

729
00:25:02,390 --> 00:25:00,320
conversation that she doesn't need to

730
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:02,400
keep this to herself and she should

731
00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:04,480
share it and shout it if she needs to

732
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:06,320
and he says that children are often used

733
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:08,320
to deliver these types of messages as

734
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:10,159
and i love this quote the message grows

735
00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:12,799
with them so well the experience and

736
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:14,080
what happened at the time may have not

737
00:25:18,549 --> 00:25:16,320
been unnecessarily a positive one

738
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:18,559
anyone who has any sort of sighting or

739
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,200
experience will attest to this and i

740
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:23,520
hate to use myself as an example but if

741
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:25,440
i didn't see what i saw in the mid 90s

742
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:27,120
you know the big object on its side

743
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:28,960
spinning you know the podcast logo then

744
00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:30,559
as you asked me about it and that's what

745
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:33,520
you come up with um

746
00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:35,279
i probably don't have the interest in

747
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:37,279
the subject i have now and i don't start

748
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:39,600
a podcast on it so you can look at the

749
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:42,000
same with emily where yeah maybe nothing

750
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:43,679
so much happened in terms of her getting

751
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:47,039
the message out for for 24 25 or 28

752
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:48,640
years i think it was

753
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:50,799
but you look to where now that she's

754
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:52,559
been in the documentary that she

755
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:53,919
attended as you find out right at the

756
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:55,760
end the open minds conference at the

757
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:56,480
time

758
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:58,720
having that discussion and she's she's

759
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:01,039
becoming more susceptible to discussing

760
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:02,880
the experience and getting that message

761
00:26:06,789 --> 00:26:04,960
out there and there you go and if that

762
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:06,799
happens to so many different people

763
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:08,559
whether they're writing about it drawing

764
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:11,760
about it doing podcasts blogs vlogs

765
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:13,679
magazines if there are journalists who

766
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:16,400
go on to to write articles about it or

767
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:18,400
just people who have experiences in the

768
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:20,080
military or the government who then come

769
00:26:24,149 --> 00:26:21,840
out that's everyone doing their little

770
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:24,159
bit that's had an experience but i also

771
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:26,880
appreciate how some people don't have

772
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:30,400
that any want to share or or they can't

773
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:32,320
and that's that's absolutely fair as

774
00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:34,400
well so um i thought that makes me

775
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:35,520
wonder

776
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:37,360
if you were if you were influencing a

777
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:39,200
population to kind of come to terms with

778
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:40,720
the fact that you know you were coming

779
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:42,640
from outside their planet or dimension

780
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:44,720
or whatever

781
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:46,400
i wonder how many people you'd have to

782
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:48,480
be you'd have to influence in over how

783
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:51,120
much that how how long amount of time

784
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:52,960
you'd have to do that before you would

785
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:55,200
create that kind of paradigm shift

786
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:56,880
because like you say not everyone is

787
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:58,880
going to decide to share that story

788
00:27:01,430 --> 00:27:00,080
they're going to keep it to themselves

789
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:01,440
and i've said before that i think a lot

790
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:03,120
more people have had experiences than

791
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:04,960
than we think

792
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:07,279
so i'd i'd be curious to know i guess

793
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:08,880
that might be something i get to ask

794
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:10,720
them if i ever if i meet them like hey

795
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:12,480
can i can i see the algorithm for your

796
00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:13,279
your

797
00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:15,440
change influence

798
00:27:18,389 --> 00:27:17,039
and again i suppose that kind of falls

799
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:18,399
in line with people thinking well why

800
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:20,720
don't they just do this but we can say

801
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:23,039
it's been 75 years of experiences and

802
00:27:26,389 --> 00:27:24,480
events and i know it goes back further

803
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:26,399
than that but if these some of these

804
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:28,640
beings do experience time for example in

805
00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:30,640
a completely different way to us then

806
00:27:33,909 --> 00:27:32,399
maybe they're looking at it at this

807
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:33,919
point we're in now and going well you've

808
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:35,919
got all these religious experiences

809
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:38,320
which depict all these events you then

810
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:40,320
have any number of events that happen

811
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:41,919
throughout history you know burning

812
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:43,279
shields in the skies when it was the

813
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:45,120
romans all that kind of stuff to the

814
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:47,679
point where the nuclear age comes into

815
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:49,520
view and we start seeing more objects we

816
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:51,760
start recording more objects and to this

817
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:53,440
point we now have the medium of you know

818
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:55,600
like entertainment and infotainment and

819
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:58,080
documentaries you've got this whole

820
00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:00,720
different range of medium media and

821
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:04,000
mediums talking about this subject and

822
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:05,520
yet we're still told yeah there's no

823
00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:07,679
evidence

824
00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:09,760
yeah absolutely and and

825
00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:11,919
really the pile is so big that just in

826
00:28:15,909 --> 00:28:13,840
the hearings that have gone one of the

827
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:15,919
senators was getting annoyed that a

828
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:17,919
certain you know case wasn't studied

829
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,760
because all the documents are out there

830
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:21,840
we're to the point now where this

831
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:23,840
the the piles of data

832
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:26,080
are kind of undeniable and it's time to

833
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:27,600
start sifting through them and taking it

834
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,799
seriously

835
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:30,480
i would just recommend in advance

836
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:32,399
sifting through any videos and getting

837
00:28:36,149 --> 00:28:34,159
screenshots that you want before you

838
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:36,159
start playing them on live congressional

839
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:38,399
hearings to make sure you can get the

840
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:40,480
point of the video that so someone did

841
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:41,760
say though and i thought this was a good

842
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:44,080
point that that video was played as an

843
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:46,240
example of how fleeting these encounters

844
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:48,799
can be and yeah you know in terms of

845
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:51,440
that as an example it sucked it was it

846
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:52,880
was really hard to see anything good

847
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:54,080
good job but

848
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:55,919
bring about a video next time yeah keep

849
00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:57,360
that for the classified section when you

850
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:59,679
want to talk about the encounters here

851
00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:00,480
um

852
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:02,559
so the the children discuss receiving

853
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:04,640
messages about um are information about

854
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:06,799
pollution and bad technological

855
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:09,279
advancements impacting humanity this is

856
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:10,880
some of the best testimony for me

857
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:12,720
available and if you want to talk about

858
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:15,120
testimony of like david fravor and

859
00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:16,159
others

860
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:17,600
i think you've got to put these kids

861
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:20,559
testimony right up beside that because

862
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:22,000
they might not have seen tic tacs you

863
00:29:26,230 --> 00:29:23,840
know off their wing or been engaged in

864
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:26,240
combat but they were children who had no

865
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:28,080
idea of what they could potentially be

866
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:29,039
looking at

867
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:31,120
and told you exactly what it was and

868
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:33,360
what they saw and there was no there was

869
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:35,200
very little i can't say no but there was

870
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:37,440
very little outside influence on that

871
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:38,720
you know they weren't watching

872
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:41,360
independence day or the star trek series

873
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:42,880
and that kind of stuff they were just

874
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:46,799
innocent kids very young and on mass had

875
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:48,559
a pretty incredible event happen to them

876
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:50,399
so for me that's that's right up there

877
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:52,559
with the best testimony we have

878
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:54,080
yeah i'd agree and i'm glad you brought

879
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:55,840
updave forever because that encounter

880
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:57,440
had some similarities with some of the

881
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:59,440
testimony from from this area of the

882
00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:00,320
film

883
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:02,880
where uh

884
00:30:06,789 --> 00:30:04,720
it was said that one being started

885
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:06,799
running across a field and that the way

886
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:08,720
that the being moved was kind of kind of

887
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,279
a low gravity situation but not as

888
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:13,679
extreme as humans on the moon

889
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:15,840
but what would happen is as the being

890
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:17,120
kind of reached the other edge of the

891
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:19,760
field it would almost reset back to

892
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:22,000
where it began and make the exact same

893
00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:23,360
movement again and the child that

894
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:24,880
recounts this says that this is where

895
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:26,240
she got scared because she didn't

896
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:28,240
understand what was happening some some

897
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:30,159
others explained that the ship was kind

898
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:31,600
of hard to see because every time they

899
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:32,640
looked at her it would kind of be

900
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:34,960
flitting off in another area

901
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:35,600
and

902
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:36,799
when she was recounting this i just

903
00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:38,159
thought to myself wow that's that's a

904
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:40,080
very tic-tac-like movement isn't it i i

905
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:41,200
wonder if

906
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:43,120
you know if if we're talking something

907
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:44,720
dimensional or something from another

908
00:30:47,669 --> 00:30:46,080
time stream or you know wherever you

909
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:47,679
want to go there

910
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:50,000
if the movement isn't necessarily you

911
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:52,159
know as fast as we think it is we're

912
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:53,760
just looking through a kaleidoscope and

913
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:55,840
that's all we see

914
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:57,440
and that's not to say you know this

915
00:31:01,909 --> 00:30:59,039
object was a tic tac but what it's a

916
00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:01,919
good example of is it's the best close

917
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:03,840
close-up example of the technology that

918
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:06,159
we're potentially experiencing and this

919
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:08,240
is what these different craft and i i

920
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:10,240
asked lou elizondo about that that have

921
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:12,320
we seen how do we know these objects are

922
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:13,840
all potentially from the same place or

923
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:16,880
the same technologies etc and he he said

924
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:19,039
himself that they appear to all use the

925
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:21,840
same types of propulsion or whatever

926
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:23,760
that may be so regardless if they're

927
00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:25,760
coming from different places

928
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:27,200
they seem to have some sort of common

929
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:28,720
technology and that's what we're

930
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:30,559
experiencing with these different events

931
00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:32,240
there was that awesome detail as well

932
00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:34,399
where uh it was recounted that it looked

933
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:36,159
like the this

934
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:38,159
the craft looked like a big rock like

935
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:39,919
water was trickling over it and the sun

936
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:42,159
was reflected in that water it it didn't

937
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:44,399
look smooth metallic it looked natural

938
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,799
which we've heard in other areas but

939
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:48,240
it's described as kind of the surface

940
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:50,080
was moving like a lava or something like

941
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:51,600
that and again it makes me wonder if

942
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:53,760
we're seeing kind of through a lens you

943
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:56,159
know whether it's kind of perturbing and

944
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:58,000
peeking into this universe as opposed to

945
00:32:02,070 --> 00:32:00,480
present here it's very interesting

946
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:02,080
i want to ask dan as we get towards the

947
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:03,440
sort of end and we're not going to talk

948
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:04,559
about the whole thing because we don't

949
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:07,039
want to spoil it for everyone as well um

950
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:10,399
as avila webb the successor to john mack

951
00:32:13,909 --> 00:32:12,399
as i watch this i realize and they tell

952
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:13,919
the story of john mack throughout it as

953
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:16,320
well that john mack took this subject to

954
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:19,039
the mainstream um against the kind of

955
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:21,039
zeitgeist or what what people would hope

956
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:23,360
to hear in his academia and and

957
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:24,399
essentially

958
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:26,399
risked his professional career which we

959
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:27,760
hear a lot of derision even in this

960
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:30,000
documentary about john mack's decision

961
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:32,000
but ultimately how it was justified do

962
00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:33,760
you see a lot of similarities between

963
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:35,200
loeb and mack

964
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:37,600
yeah absolutely and and loeb's also

965
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:38,960
being kind of lambasted by his

966
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:40,640
colleagues in the same way yet he has

967
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:42,640
the support of the higher-ups just like

968
00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:44,080
john mack did

969
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:46,480
there was a bit of a hoo-ha around

970
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:48,240
um

971
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:49,679
whether john was

972
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:51,279
asking leading questions and things like

973
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:52,880
that but the dean of the medical school

974
00:32:57,430 --> 00:32:55,600
basically ended up apologizing and

975
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:57,440
he says in the documentary that any

976
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:59,760
academic has the right to be wrong it's

977
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:00,960
the it's the right of the other

978
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:03,840
academics to prove john wrong so i i

979
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:05,919
think that's a great attitude to have

980
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:09,120
and so far no one has proved john wrong

981
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:11,200
i love that we we have his involvement

982
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:13,120
there and yeah i i would agree i think

983
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:16,159
avi loeb is kind of that

984
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:18,559
current serious academic that is

985
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:19,840
actually approaching this subject with

986
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:22,880
an open mind and a scientific rigor

987
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:25,360
paul mchugh is a professor of psychiatry

988
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:28,000
at john hopkins university and he says

989
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:30,000
they were embarrassed by john mack and

990
00:33:35,269 --> 00:33:32,880
his quote-unquote enthusiasm he says

991
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:35,279
mack had gone too far and that harvard

992
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:37,120
didn't like their name being associated

993
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:39,600
with aliens and again that reminded me

994
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:41,519
of avila webb and the zoom call where he

995
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:42,880
was attacked and called out by

996
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:44,720
colleagues for even entertaining the

997
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:47,840
subject of of ufos aliens and you know

998
00:33:51,909 --> 00:33:50,399
and yet those people don't have that

999
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:51,919
same kind of fire in them when they're

1000
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:53,840
discussing angels with a

1001
00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:55,760
vicar you know something like that it's

1002
00:34:00,070 --> 00:33:58,240
it's just as much a belief as anything

1003
00:34:01,590 --> 00:34:00,080
and and i know some people would take

1004
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:01,600
issue with me saying that so i'll just

1005
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:03,360
say you're entitled to whatever you

1006
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:05,360
believe um but

1007
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:07,120
also that comes with a requirement to

1008
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:08,720
let other people have their beliefs and

1009
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:10,800
and i think john mack avila webb

1010
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:13,280
everyone has a right to do that and and

1011
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:15,040
that guy who said that he was

1012
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:16,879
embarrassed uh all these years later

1013
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:18,320
watching that clip i was embarrassed for

1014
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:20,560
him so to chase her

1015
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:22,560
about an hour and i started to realize

1016
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:25,200
one of the plus points i was enjoying of

1017
00:34:31,829 --> 00:34:28,079
this documentary was the lack of talking

1018
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:31,839
head ufo celebrities being spliced in no

1019
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:33,839
shatner no

1020
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:34,720
um

1021
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:36,399
the focus was on the story the

1022
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:38,960
experience and the impact yes i didn't

1023
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:41,119
see the director putting himself on the

1024
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:43,760
screen constantly giving us you know wow

1025
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:45,599
i can't believe this happened this was

1026
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:48,000
such an incredible event let's hear more

1027
00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:50,399
there's no need just show us the story

1028
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:52,079
show us the clips and give us a nice

1029
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:53,760
narrative throughout that we can follow

1030
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:55,760
and you can follow emily she's used as a

1031
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:57,680
not a plot device but she follows and

1032
00:35:01,990 --> 00:34:59,839
continues the story on and it keeps

1033
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:02,000
going back and forward and again that

1034
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:03,359
was an issue i've had with other

1035
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:05,599
documentaries not just a tear in the sky

1036
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:07,280
but we don't need

1037
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:10,000
michiokaku to give us

1038
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:12,000
as intelligent and wonderful as the guy

1039
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:12,640
is

1040
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:15,040
random spurious sound bites william

1041
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:16,640
shatner together as random spurious

1042
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:17,839
sound bites

1043
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:19,920
is that that ancient aliens approach to

1044
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:21,680
things that just doesn't do it for me i

1045
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:24,880
know many people enjoy it i know many

1046
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:27,440
people don't um so that that's

1047
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:29,760
absolutely fine but for me it really

1048
00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:33,119
added to this documentary and maybe that

1049
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:38,870
lack of polishing that you would maybe

1050
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:40,480
get with the the green screen

1051
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:42,960
backgrounds and you know the the names

1052
00:35:45,990 --> 00:35:44,480
coming up with a really cool effect at

1053
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:46,000
the bottom and opening up across the

1054
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:47,760
screen with a little

1055
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:50,079
you know sound effect

1056
00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:51,359
there was none of that but you don't

1057
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:53,119
need it um

1058
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:55,040
less is always more

1059
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:57,359
my exact quote next added

1060
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:59,040
there was a late appearance by danny

1061
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:00,720
sheehan now you're almost i think an

1062
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:02,960
hour into the documentary and he pops up

1063
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:05,040
on screen and i've got less as more

1064
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:07,119
because he makes a very quick statement

1065
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:09,200
he goes away and then comes back and

1066
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:10,400
again makes another couple of quick

1067
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:12,720
statements and he's gone again

1068
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:14,800
that's that's great he's he's added to

1069
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:17,040
the documentary but the documentary is

1070
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:19,200
not about him he's very much just there

1071
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:20,800
and if he wasn't there would it have

1072
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:23,359
made a big difference not particularly

1073
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:25,680
but there is a far greater impact seeing

1074
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:27,280
a couple of seconds of danny sheehan

1075
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:28,480
here and there

1076
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:30,240
and he's not even advertised as being

1077
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:31,359
you know danny sheehan's in this

1078
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:33,599
documentary but it's really nice to see

1079
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:36,079
him and hear from him and he's used so

1080
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:37,200
so well

1081
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:38,560
far better than we've seen in a lot of

1082
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:40,560
other documentaries as well

1083
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:42,240
yeah absolutely

1084
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:43,760
i i wonder if

1085
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:45,280
a senator is going to bring up this

1086
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:47,359
documentary and anything associated with

1087
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:49,839
it in another hearing in the future

1088
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:52,560
this is a very compelling case it has

1089
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:54,400
the attention of a lot of the right

1090
00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:55,520
people

1091
00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:58,640
and i think some senses probably existed

1092
00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:01,280
in 1994 that can corroborate this in

1093
00:37:03,270 --> 00:37:02,320
some way

1094
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:03,280
uh

1095
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:05,839
hopefully anyway well dan i've got down

1096
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:08,400
here as a point to discuss with you did

1097
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:10,400
these events happen then

1098
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:16,550
i mean i can see what you're getting at

1099
00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:18,240
we we talk timely why we things all the

1100
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:20,400
time and again something outside of our

1101
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:22,240
living experience of time could

1102
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:23,760
certainly jump back through and go okay

1103
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:24,880
if we just put a little stone in the

1104
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:26,960
river here and here and here then we're

1105
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:28,960
given the material to start chewing

1106
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:30,960
through publicly

1107
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:32,640
it's a very good question is the is the

1108
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:34,480
phenomena itself influenced in

1109
00:37:38,069 --> 00:37:36,880
disclosure and i think

1110
00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:38,079
you can't you can't ignore that

1111
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:40,160
possibility you know when a neighbor

1112
00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:41,359
comes over they have to knock your front

1113
00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:43,119
door if they break in through the window

1114
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:44,400
you're gonna notice they're there in a

1115
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:46,000
different way

1116
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:47,760
so i i feel like

1117
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:50,400
maybe uh it's an out in itself but

1118
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:52,240
i also think of when you spoke to gary

1119
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:53,760
and he said about

1120
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:55,680
dna unfolding and and certain

1121
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:58,079
instructions being in the subsets and i

1122
00:38:01,670 --> 00:37:59,760
i wonder if maybe if evolution has gone

1123
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:01,680
to a place where it's starting to unfold

1124
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:04,000
and let some of us see

1125
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:06,400
a bit more of the universe we live in

1126
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:09,200
it reminded me a little bit of again

1127
00:38:13,109 --> 00:38:11,200
mild spoilers but i started watching

1128
00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:13,119
everything everywhere all at once

1129
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:14,800
and they've got a little pad within it

1130
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:16,320
that shows you the multiverse but it

1131
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:18,000
also shows you the timeline of someone's

1132
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:21,520
life and it's like left home got a job

1133
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:22,720
left job

1134
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:24,880
met boyfriend and it's like where things

1135
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:26,560
split off at different times and they

1136
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:28,079
can kind of reverse and go back along

1137
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:29,839
and see the different choices and and

1138
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:31,040
why they're made when they're made and

1139
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:32,560
how that affects the outcome of things

1140
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:33,280
and

1141
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:34,800
is there a chance like you say that

1142
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:36,880
these things happened at that point

1143
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:39,200
so that someone like emily talks about

1144
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:41,599
it 28 years later or like several of

1145
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:43,520
those children maybe more still to come

1146
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:44,560
forward

1147
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:45,440
um

1148
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:46,960
maybe some of them are now like

1149
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:48,720
politicians or within government or

1150
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:51,280
working in corporate roles where they've

1151
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:52,880
not quite done it yet but they're still

1152
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:55,200
to come forward or like you say is this

1153
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:57,119
something that as the time now we start

1154
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:59,359
to get more congressional hearings

1155
00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:01,280
comes up as part of those discussions as

1156
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:03,680
well not just in the us but obviously

1157
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:05,760
we're a month away from brazil's open

1158
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:07,359
congressional hearing so

1159
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:09,280
that's again something that could be

1160
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:11,280
brought up or similar events we're

1161
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:13,119
almost seeing like a number of spinning

1162
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:15,440
plates in different places starting to

1163
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:17,280
to converge you know like you say the

1164
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:18,400
hearings in brazil we've had the

1165
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:19,920
hearings in the us we know some other

1166
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:21,119
countries around the world have always

1167
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:23,200
been a little more open uh you know you

1168
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:25,599
can get some pretty startling ufo files

1169
00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:28,000
from spain about planes kind of engaging

1170
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:30,079
ufos and things like that

1171
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:31,920
canada as well in the past week has

1172
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:33,680
spoken up a bit and and i think you're

1173
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:34,720
going to start seeing this big

1174
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:36,320
international conversation about things

1175
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:39,359
like this and absolutely all all events

1176
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:42,400
like this contribute to the momentum and

1177
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:45,440
the awareness that it's gonna take to

1178
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:47,200
have these hearings and to tackle this

1179
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:48,480
properly

1180
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:50,079
the final part of the documentary very

1181
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:51,920
much shows emily's journey both

1182
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:54,160
physically and emotionally i think

1183
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:56,640
coming full circle she leaves zimbabwe

1184
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:58,720
she heads home and she seems to have far

1185
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:00,560
more acceptance now of what's happened

1186
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:03,119
to her maybe not the why it happened to

1187
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:05,359
her but things like her family now

1188
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:07,040
beginning to discuss with her a bit more

1189
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:09,520
her mother asks her about it her father

1190
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:10,880
she says brings it up at the dinner

1191
00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:11,920
table

1192
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:13,119
maybe that's the extent of the

1193
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:15,119
conversation there and then but for her

1194
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:17,839
that's huge huge progress and she then

1195
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:19,200
appears like i mentioned at the open

1196
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:21,280
minds conference to speak about her

1197
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:23,040
experience too

1198
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:24,400
the documentary then then kind of

1199
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:26,240
finishes up you know no errors in

1200
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:27,920
gracie's we don't need

1201
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:30,480
um huge title screens that's the story

1202
00:40:34,150 --> 00:40:33,040
it's been presented here's as much as we

1203
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:34,160
have

1204
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:36,720
a hundred percent there is nothing

1205
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:38,880
revelative revelatory are startling no

1206
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:40,480
one's breaking out here promising you

1207
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:42,720
new footage or here's some pictures that

1208
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:44,960
you never saw at the time but what you

1209
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:47,200
get is the complete full picture of of

1210
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:49,599
an incredible event and the impact it's

1211
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:51,680
had through the decades on those who

1212
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:54,079
experienced it afterwards as well and

1213
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:55,760
also how some of those adults at the

1214
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:58,480
time the teachers or or parents

1215
00:41:02,069 --> 00:41:00,640
are starting to come to grips and terms

1216
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:02,079
with it more and having that

1217
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:05,680
conversation sort of later on

1218
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:08,560
imagine being one of them and seeing

1219
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:10,640
this you know like gimbal or tic tac or

1220
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:13,680
any of these subjects coming up it must

1221
00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:15,680
like feel like a huge weight lifting off

1222
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:17,119
their shoulders you know it doesn't

1223
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:19,200
necessarily confirm that it was the same

1224
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:21,040
thing but certainly

1225
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:23,520
hearing these officials having similar

1226
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:27,599
strange experiences must just be

1227
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:29,119
you know i i know for me at least but

1228
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:31,280
when i saw a lot of the the testimonies

1229
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:33,040
and things like that it was

1230
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:36,160
it was quite emotional to listen to to

1231
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:37,520
come to terms with the fact that so many

1232
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:38,640
people are gonna see this and they're

1233
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:40,160
starting to understand

1234
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:42,000
and for a long time

1235
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:43,440
people struggle with this stuff on their

1236
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:50,230
it must it must just be amazing for the

1237
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:51,920
people who were present to start seeing

1238
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:53,520
the world talk about this in a serious

1239
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:54,560
way

1240
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:56,960
so coming again full circle with

1241
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:58,880
yourself then where do you where do you

1242
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:00,880
rate the documentary where does it sit

1243
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:03,280
for you honestly one of my favorites on

1244
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:05,119
the subject i i've spoken about another

1245
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:07,119
one called witness of another world that

1246
00:42:11,349 --> 00:42:09,040
i love so much because again it's

1247
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:11,359
focused on the human story the ufo event

1248
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:13,599
isn't you know it's just the

1249
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:15,119
the impetus for the director go in there

1250
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:16,400
to talk to the person about how it

1251
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:17,920
affected their lives

1252
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:20,160
this was similar

1253
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:21,599
remembering that there's a human at the

1254
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:23,599
center of this story that in this case

1255
00:42:28,630 --> 00:42:24,640
probably

1256
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:28,640
at least 100 people who experience this

1257
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:30,319
it it makes you grapple with your

1258
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:32,160
worldview and we're already kind of

1259
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,000
there because we do this podcast and we

1260
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:36,480
speak about this stuff often but i i

1261
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:38,160
have a feeling that a lot of my friends

1262
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:41,119
with children are gonna watch this and

1263
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:44,800
kind of have a moment of

1264
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:47,119
being somber

1265
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:48,319
hmm

1266
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,240
um

1267
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:52,560
one thing to address afterwards folks

1268
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:54,000
i definitely echo that i recommend

1269
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:55,119
people go and watch this it's a

1270
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:57,440
fascinating account if you're expecting

1271
00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:59,200
something like james fox's the

1272
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:01,440
phenomenon with you know officials

1273
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:04,160
coming in and footage and videos and

1274
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:06,560
pictures of ufos and you're not going to

1275
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:08,079
get that you're getting a human story a

1276
00:43:11,910 --> 00:43:09,920
human experience we've talked before

1277
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:11,920
about ryan sprague's book which very

1278
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:13,760
much documents the human experience of

1279
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:16,079
abductions and the after story and how

1280
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:18,880
or or even just any ete or or non-human

1281
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:21,119
intelligence experience that

1282
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:22,960
how it's affected them and and the

1283
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:24,960
aftermath and this is very much what

1284
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:27,520
this is you get a fantastic retelling of

1285
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:30,000
the the aerial school phenomenon event

1286
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:31,680
but then what's happened after to some

1287
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:33,440
of those people and how they're coming

1288
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:35,280
to terms with it and its role in the

1289
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:36,960
overall scheme of things

1290
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:40,000
it's fantastic i recommend um renting or

1291
00:43:45,230 --> 00:43:42,720
buying and on that folks um if you want

1292
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:45,240
to do that you go to

1293
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:46,800
www.aerialphenomenon.com the links will

1294
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:49,200
be in the description for the show um

1295
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:51,520
they have had a couple of issues around

1296
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:53,680
the launch as we discuss this and recall

1297
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:55,680
that's the 22nd of may

1298
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:57,599
this was meant to launch on the 20th of

1299
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:58,960
may um

1300
00:44:02,069 --> 00:44:00,560
they basically have come out and to be

1301
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:02,079
fair on social media the aerial

1302
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:04,400
phenomenon accounts have been very very

1303
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:06,400
active in discussing and keeping people

1304
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:08,079
up to date it was meant to be on a

1305
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:10,720
streaming platform and last minute they

1306
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:12,400
they were requested to make some changes

1307
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:15,119
they weren't happy with and decided to

1308
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:17,119
do it on their own

1309
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:18,960
that then saw them come up with their

1310
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:20,640
own you do the website release it

1311
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:22,800
through there it's not on vimeo it's not

1312
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:24,319
on any other streaming platforms and

1313
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:25,200
such

1314
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:26,800
and it caused a few issues where people

1315
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:28,800
who had pre-ordered weren't able to get

1316
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:31,280
it straight away but they they they seem

1317
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:33,359
to be clearing up those issues i know as

1318
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:34,800
we recall this there are still some

1319
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:37,119
people a little bit unhappy with that i

1320
00:44:42,069 --> 00:44:39,440
i would say folks on this occasion it's

1321
00:44:43,589 --> 00:44:42,079
not a huge company releasing this and

1322
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:43,599
they've put a lot of effort into it

1323
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:45,839
they've been very open and very honest

1324
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:46,800
um

1325
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:48,640
i i would say give them the break on

1326
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:51,040
this one because the things changed

1327
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:53,920
relatively late for them and and for me

1328
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:56,319
it's for the sake of a couple of days i

1329
00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:58,480
i i would hope that doesn't put you off

1330
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:00,560
renting or getting a copy of this from

1331
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:02,880
them because um it deserves your money

1332
00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:04,640
if that's what you're able to afford to

1333
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:06,560
to keep up to date with the subject and

1334
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:09,119
and really dive into to a very well made

1335
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:11,359
piece of of documentary footage and not

1336
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:14,079
documentary filming um yeah give them a

1337
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:15,520
break on this one i can see some people

1338
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:18,000
not happy about it but

1339
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:20,560
is that fair then yeah i would agree and

1340
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:22,160
and if you're someone who isn't happy

1341
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:24,480
and someone who has the skills to maybe

1342
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:25,520
help

1343
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:28,560
that that's what i would say

1344
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:31,040
uh a little ironic considering what kind

1345
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:32,560
of the the film

1346
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:34,720
talks about at the end where they talk

1347
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:37,040
about why this stigma exists

1348
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:38,400
um

1349
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:39,359
and they

1350
00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:40,800
they say that

1351
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:44,000
human egoism entirely is at stake are we

1352
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:45,359
powerful are we even in charge of our

1353
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:46,480
own fate

1354
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:47,680
in the past couple of hundred years

1355
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:49,200
we've gone from learning that we're not

1356
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:50,960
the center of the universe

1357
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:52,560
in the past hundred years we've learned

1358
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:54,240
thanks to freud that we're not even in

1359
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:55,920
charge of our own individual lives to a

1360
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:57,839
certain extent we are victims of the

1361
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:59,200
systems that we're born into in the

1362
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:00,880
societies and cultures

1363
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:02,240
and now we're hitting the point where

1364
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:03,599
we're realizing we're not the most

1365
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:05,200
intelligent or advanced creatures in the

1366
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:06,400
cosmos

1367
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:08,880
it sounds to me like a kid growing up

1368
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:10,720
and and i feel like we should all stop

1369
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:12,240
throwing our toes out the pram if we

1370
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:14,160
want to say hi to the people that i'm

1371
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:15,680
from here

1372
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:17,680
some of your thoughts on the documentary

1373
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:19,200
we reached out to find out what you had

1374
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:21,200
thought lin says i've just watched i

1375
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:23,280
loved that film focused on the emotional

1376
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:25,359
impact on all involved it made me feel

1377
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:26,880
sad that some kids felt they couldn't

1378
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:29,040
discuss it openly i have total respect

1379
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:31,200
for dr john mack for listening when many

1380
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:32,560
others didn't

1381
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:34,319
james said there's a lot of things they

1382
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:36,319
could have introduced history cover-ups

1383
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:38,160
men in black roswell i think it's

1384
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:40,160
stronger without that stuff the film is

1385
00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:42,240
strong for the things that hasn't put in

1386
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:43,599
and i think that's what dan you and i

1387
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:46,079
were trying to get across here yeah they

1388
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:48,400
they the creators alluded to

1389
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:49,520
uh

1390
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:51,040
production company wanting to change the

1391
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:52,480
film in that way to put some talking

1392
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:54,720
heads in and stuff as well so just you

1393
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:57,280
know could ask to to the creators for

1394
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:03,910
sweet peas nana says the best quote from

1395
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:06,319
one precocious little girl um it says

1396
00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:07,839
precocious it may have been precious but

1397
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:09,920
either way um i don't think they have

1398
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:11,920
love in space i've heard that theory

1399
00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:14,720
that they et's are envious of us and our

1400
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:17,680
ability to emote and enjoy and love um

1401
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:19,920
the comments surprised me sad how some

1402
00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:21,680
were not believed

1403
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:24,319
uh i mean space is a vacuum right if if

1404
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:26,160
love is a physical tangible thing then

1405
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:27,680
the vacuum wouldn't have it that that

1406
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:29,280
could be a sciency thing i don't know we

1407
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:31,760
don't understand it but we all know that

1408
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:33,280
words like love have have a certain

1409
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:35,280
weight and power to them so to say that

1410
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:38,480
they don't exist as things is strange as

1411
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:40,640
hadaway once said what is love baby

1412
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:41,920
don't hurt me

1413
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:43,119
um

1414
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:44,720
no more great

1415
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:47,839
uh the paranormal podcast hello to them

1416
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:49,520
said aerial phenomenon is the film we've

1417
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:50,960
been waiting for it's a five-star

1418
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:53,440
masterpiece an outstanding documentary

1419
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:55,520
easily the best ufo documentary and up

1420
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:56,960
there with the best documentaries i've

1421
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:58,880
seen look forward to the review and

1422
00:48:01,750 --> 00:48:00,000
paranormal

1423
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:01,760
podcast are releasing their own reviews

1424
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:03,839
soon so thank you for that um chris

1425
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:06,000
fowler says it's been 27 years since i

1426
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:07,680
saw the extended interviews when john

1427
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:10,000
mack showed them here in cardiff wales

1428
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:12,640
back in 1995. the documentary in my

1429
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:14,240
opinion is the best on the subject

1430
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:17,839
matter despite no videos of ufos etc um

1431
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:19,040
and that that's fair like a lot of the

1432
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:21,440
documentaries you do see with any

1433
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:22,559
footage

1434
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:24,319
and again this isn't bashing steven

1435
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:26,079
grier please but a lot of those bigger

1436
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:27,680
well-known documentaries from someone

1437
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:29,839
like steven grier that the footage is

1438
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:31,599
just lights in the sky

1439
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:34,079
and interspliced with non-hoxies or you

1440
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:36,319
know flares and stuff like that as well

1441
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:37,040
so

1442
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:38,559
that stuff could have been put in there

1443
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:40,640
but to what effect and what end because

1444
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:42,240
it's not part of this documentary or

1445
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:43,119
story

1446
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:44,880
uh karen says i've just watched your

1447
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:46,800
beautiful and incredible film it was not

1448
00:48:50,549 --> 00:48:48,240
not ours but obviously the aerial

1449
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:50,559
phenomenon and it was deeply deeply

1450
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:52,319
moving and makes a huge contribution to

1451
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:54,079
the subject and telling the world so

1452
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:56,480
brilliantly the impact experiences like

1453
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:58,160
this have on those who see something

1454
00:49:01,510 --> 00:49:00,160
that breaks our world view thank you so

1455
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:01,520
very very much

1456
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:03,440
and the last couple james falk says it

1457
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:05,040
was a moving and heartfelt film that

1458
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:06,960
captured the mystery of the phenomenon

1459
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:08,559
as well as a lasting effect on

1460
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:11,520
experiencers the best ufo dock ever in

1461
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:13,839
terms of emotional impact all those kids

1462
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:15,200
were clearly stunned and telling the

1463
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:17,440
absolute truth as best they could bravo

1464
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:19,839
and from benny um said they thought it

1465
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:21,680
had excellent production values the

1466
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:24,000
mundane but in brackets normal and

1467
00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:26,559
relatable tone balanced and told its own

1468
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:28,079
story rather than being pushed with

1469
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:30,240
voiceover or drama i could see this as a

1470
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:32,559
human story rather than an alien one and

1471
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:34,800
much better for it docs like this should

1472
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:36,720
be the norm filmmakers take note so i

1473
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:38,559
think that's a lot of insight into to

1474
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:39,839
what people are saying about it i've

1475
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:42,160
seen nothing negative at all in terms of

1476
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:43,920
reviews on social media folks i would be

1477
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:45,760
really honest and downward as well that

1478
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:47,680
the issues have been around the the

1479
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:50,079
release and the the technical hitchies

1480
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:51,359
but please don't let that put you off

1481
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:52,880
definitely check out the website and if

1482
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:54,960
you can part with a couple of dollars to

1483
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:56,240
to review

1484
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:58,000
yeah definitely it's an excellent film

1485
00:50:01,510 --> 00:49:59,839
it's well worth your time and attention

1486
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:01,520
and it's definitely one that when people

1487
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:04,160
say to me where should i start uh i'll

1488
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:06,480
put this up as an example of you know if

1489
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:09,680
you want to just look at one crazy case

1490
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:11,440
that that might just show you the world

1491
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:13,520
is changing here you go this documentary

1492
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:14,800
would be it

1493
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:17,119
yeah again for me you would say to them

1494
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:19,040
not probably the phenomenon for james

1495
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:21,119
fox but off the back of that you'd be

1496
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:22,240
saying you know what that aerial

1497
00:50:26,309 --> 00:50:24,160
document the aerial phenomenon event

1498
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:26,319
aerial school event then there's a whole

1499
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:28,480
documentary just on that and we're also

1500
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:30,559
about to have a whole documentary on a

1501
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:33,440
case from virginia as well in brazil a

1502
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:35,200
moment of contact in the coming months

1503
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:37,200
so it's not been a bad year for

1504
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:38,800
documentaries there has been content

1505
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:41,440
there's still more to come and even at

1506
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:43,200
monsters in california dan is one i'm

1507
00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:44,720
really looking forward to from tom

1508
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:46,000
delong

1509
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:49,280
did get me a little excited so

1510
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:50,720
yeah it should be a lot of fun and and

1511
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:52,480
the movie that he made with william

1512
00:50:58,230 --> 00:50:55,920
eubank love was was excellent it was uh

1513
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:58,240
a very surprising film a little 2001-ish

1514
00:51:01,510 --> 00:51:00,000
but i'd recommend if people haven't seen

1515
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:01,520
it go watch it it's better than you

1516
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:03,599
expect it did win some awards

1517
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:05,359
i mean tom is very much a man child

1518
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:07,680
stuck in the 2000s so that's totally to

1519
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:09,200
be expected isn't it like giving his

1520
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:11,040
band and the sound and everything like

1521
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:12,559
that but that's not a bad thing i was

1522
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:14,000
watching jackass again the other day

1523
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:15,839
with my six-year-old so yeah it really

1524
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:17,920
kind of captured that that era didn't it

1525
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:21,359
that time tony hawks jorts and guitars

1526
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:22,960
yeah

1527
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:24,640
but folks like to say this week coming

1528
00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:27,200
up uh interview with brandon fugle is

1529
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:30,000
out monday 23rd of may that'll be on the

1530
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:33,200
youtube channel on the friday um

1531
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:35,440
wednesday this week we've got dan's

1532
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:37,119
initial colouring outside the lines

1533
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:39,359
finally dropping around five months

1534
00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:40,960
after we announced it um which is

1535
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:42,559
shorter than expected

1536
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:44,160
danger mentioned a little bit about that

1537
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:46,000
just so people know what to expect yeah

1538
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:48,240
for sure it's cool to get it out on on

1539
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:50,480
my birthday as well it saves me like

1540
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:52,079
remembering an extra date in terms of

1541
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:54,720
anniversaries but uh yeah i i have a

1542
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:57,040
great conversation with dr michelle

1543
00:52:02,150 --> 00:52:00,319
fornae she's a marine ecologist studying

1544
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:02,160
the impact of sound on marine

1545
00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:05,040
environments as well as uh communication

1546
00:52:08,309 --> 00:52:06,480
between marine animals so basically

1547
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:08,319
she's studying the dakotan whale song if

1548
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:10,400
you've seen the the documentary fathom

1549
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:12,720
you'll know her from there and her work

1550
00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:14,400
i i'd recommend

1551
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:16,880
having a listen it it starts talking

1552
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:18,480
about whale song and that we kind of

1553
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:19,920
talk about communicating with other

1554
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:22,319
forms of life and it gets a little

1555
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:25,119
philosophical uh so i i really hope that

1556
00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:26,640
people enjoy that and i'm glad to have

1557
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:28,480
it out

1558
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:31,119
and it'll be out on the that ufo podcast

1559
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:32,640
feed it'll be out on the that ufo

1560
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:34,559
podcast youtube channel and you'll find

1561
00:52:38,549 --> 00:52:36,880
it on the anomalous podcast network feed

1562
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:38,559
apologies for the few weeks of silence

1563
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:40,480
on there folks it's been crazy hectic

1564
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:42,160
with me for work now for what six weeks

1565
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:43,440
done

1566
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:45,119
and i do have all the content from

1567
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:47,280
vinnie priscilla and of course graham

1568
00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:48,960
and dave's uh most up-to-date

1569
00:52:53,829 --> 00:52:52,160
unidentified aerial podcast um just to

1570
00:52:55,990 --> 00:52:53,839
put out so within the next 24 hours

1571
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:56,000
you'll see all that update as well and

1572
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:58,160
then next week later in the week you'll

1573
00:53:01,349 --> 00:53:00,000
have a breakdown done we'll cover the

1574
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:01,359
kind of fallout from the congressional

1575
00:53:06,069 --> 00:53:03,280
hearings and we'll cover some other

1576
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:06,079
stories within that as well so awesome

1577
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:08,400
lots to do lots to come up folks if you

1578
00:53:14,069 --> 00:53:09,920
want to get in touch again remember

1579
00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:14,079
email ufo uapam gmail.com and until next

1580
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:16,880
time thank you very much for listening

1581
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:18,640
as that's alarm goes off

1582
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:20,480
that was a phone call i'm sorry there

1583
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:22,640
went off there terrible timing thank you

1584
00:53:26,069 --> 00:53:23,680
you should have just said that was the

1585
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:26,079
end of the podcast alarm

1586
00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:28,160
that is all for this week's show thank

1587
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:30,160
you very much for listening please

1588
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:32,319
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1589
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:34,800
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1590
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:37,119
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1591
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:39,040
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1592
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:41,200
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1593
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:42,720
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00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:45,200
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00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:47,920
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1596
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:50,160
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1597
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:53,040
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1598
00:53:58,630 --> 00:53:56,640
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1599
00:54:01,280 --> 00:53:58,640
folks as always keep looking up you

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00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:01,290
never know what you might see

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00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:29,780
is

1602
00:54:29,790 --> 00:54:37,430
[Music]

1603
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:38,870
i can't imagine how it could have been

1604
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:40,559
any better i got to the top of the

1605
00:55:02,670 --> 00:54:59,510
there was something on my head and

1606
00:55:16,790 --> 00:55:02,680
everything was weird and everything was

1607
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:27,510
[Music]

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00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:32,100
me

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00:56:01,740 --> 00:55:36,549
[Music]

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00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:01,750
what's that

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00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:06,960
[Music]

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00:56:11,010 --> 00:56:08,880
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

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00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:11,020
saucer

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00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:42,100
[Music]